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Post by ultrajegi on Aug 8, 2007 15:35:40 GMT -5
Nah, don't let him off the hook! You're too serious about this. The one thing you should make sure of is that you finish before anyone you suckered into doing their first hundred, then leave very quicky! ;D Seriously: no matter how many hundreds you've done, or not done: you and you alone need to know when to keep going and when to stop. If you don't ... well Darwin will take care of it. There's no shame in trying and dropping. However, there IS shame in not trying  . Ironically, I doubt I'll make it very far this time (still nurturing some weird hip injury, which I fear will flare up wayyyyyy too early). That said, I'll still start. Ok maybe that's not too smart, but unless I try I'll never know if I could have done it ... nothing's impossible. Also don't forget Norbert's Austrian. They're a special kind of people. That's all I'm gonna say here.  Beat |
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Post by leinfellner on Aug 8, 2007 15:36:00 GMT -5
OK, here is my take on that (Sorry Sarah for abusing your pacer page): While assiduously ignoring Steve's last comment on food  , the situation from Beat's perspective is that everyone could do a 100. Right now I'm in the position to safely say that with proper training and time dedication everybody could do a 50 miler. Three months ago I wasn't. Now, I feel a 100 is possible, but it is lays in the scary unknown and my preparation wasn't designed to complete a 100 this year. Like Steve said, as you go through your training and growing distances, you know what you are capable of. I believe that ultrarunners are among those people who know their body fairly well and know what they can expect by pushing it. Now, while I believe I could finish a 100 if I had to, I'd not be able to safely say I'd enjoy the whole thing. I might even bring otehr people into trouble, including the RD. I'm a very analytical person (my father was born in Germany ) and I always hesitate to try out things that are very different from what I do and train for. A 100 is substantially different from a 50, not only because of the double distance. I enjoyed doing my first 50 miler 3 weeks ago, but know what? The last ten miles I was thinking mostly about my first beer after the race. No kidding! Seriously: I appreciate your faith in me, but I would be the one executing it and be rather disappointed for having to stop at mile 82 or something. I rather go out, have fun on the 50 and stay fit for my future plans that include a couple more 50s, a 100k, and for sure a 100 if I stay healthy. By the way: I'm already afraid of the time after my first 100. Will there be a "Now what?" question? I think Beat can answer that, but I feel he is in the lucky situation of taking on any challenge and he does. I adore all you first timers as well, because I know you are already there and I'm not. But I'll help to eat all the good stuff! I promise! Thanks for all your encouragement!! Talk to you later Norbert |
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Post by leinfellner on Aug 8, 2007 15:45:43 GMT -5
Beat, can we settle on a slightly corrected phrase? "There is shame in not trying at all" I feel like a loyer at this point ;D Beat, if others bring your statement about Austrians into historical context I'm in trouble But I take it as a compliment! Thanks! N. |
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Post by ultrajegi on Aug 8, 2007 15:51:32 GMT -5
Hey, it was worth a shot. I am mostly kidding, don't take me too seriously In the end, trail running is about one thing: to have fun! Doesn't matter what you try - as long as you have a good time, who's to argue! That said, I think you're close to trying, we just wanted to provide you with some inspiration See you on Saturday! Beat |
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Post by thr3ee on Aug 8, 2007 17:30:40 GMT -5
OK, with Norbert's status settled, lets get on to more important issues. I'm not letting it slide that Beat tried to sneak in his "pre-race excuse" without notice. Especially, after his comment about "finishing" a race before the people you convinced to do it...clever guy, huh? I even suspect that his "weird hip injury" may have been caused by some runner whom he cajoled into trying a race above their ability giving him a swift foot to the rear when he asked how he was enjoying it!  I am, of course, joking. Though I am a little concerned as Beat was the one who promised to kick my butt if I threatened to drop. Now where am I going to get that sort of commitment if he drops! |
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Post by Jon on Aug 8, 2007 18:09:07 GMT -5
And Beat was right about that! HH doesn't have all that much more elevation gain than the Diablo 50!! Jon, did you connect with Nate? FYI, after you get him to the starting line, I wouldn't try to stay with him anymore! Sarah Mental note: make Nate run to start or slip laxative in his water bottle. Nevermind, he's running the 50. Go Nate! Yes, we traded emails. I can't check that email at work, so I'm not sure if he's responded. I think we are squared away, though. Thx! |
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Post by Jon on Aug 8, 2007 18:13:54 GMT -5
OK, with Norbert's status settled, lets get on to more important issues. I'm not letting it slide that Beat tried to sneak in his "pre-race excuse" without notice. Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed this. |
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Post by Jon on Aug 8, 2007 18:14:41 GMT -5
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Post by pctrailruns on Aug 8, 2007 18:16:14 GMT -5
Though I am a little concerned as Beat was the one who promised to kick my butt if I threatened to drop. Now where am I going to get that sort of commitment if he drops! Beat better finish. We already made his finisher's coaster:  Norbert, don't you want one of these, too? Wendell & Sarah |
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Post by Jon on Aug 8, 2007 18:20:03 GMT -5
Changing gears a bit... My only goal is to finish, but it helps if I have a sense of how long that will take. Does anyone have some rules of thumb for me based on a couple recent results? 50 mile, flat course, 8:45 Diable 50 mile, 12:45 12 hour, flat, 65 miles I'll spare the detailed number crunching (I'm an actuary  ), but I've extrapoted a time around 24 hours. Does that seem reasonable? |
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Post by Pacific Coast Trail Runs on Aug 8, 2007 18:29:00 GMT -5
Yes, we traded emails. I can't check that email at work, so I'm not sure if he's responded. I think we are squared away, though. Thx! No, thank YOU, Jon! I'm glad that it worked out - we appreciate your doing that. Sarah |
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Post by thr3ee on Aug 8, 2007 19:17:58 GMT -5
Changing gears a bit... My only goal is to finish, but it helps if I have a sense of how long that will take. Does anyone have some rules of thumb for me based on a couple recent results? 50 mile, flat course, 8:45 Diable 50 mile, 12:45 12 hour, flat, 65 miles I'll spare the detailed number crunching (I'm an actuary ), but I've extrapoted a time around 24 hours. Does that seem reasonable? Jon, There are others on this list who might be able to answer this better, but everyone I have talked to about projecting times for your first 100 says that it is pretty difficult to do. There is chart that someone did comparing various races to WS100 and estimating a percentage of difficulty to project a finish time. However, most of the research for this came from people who were presumably not running their first 100. If I use that chart, I get a different projection depending on which race I use, but it is between 27-29hrs for WS100. Of course, someone would need to estimate what percentage of difficulty HH100 is to WS100. In the end it really seems that all of this is just plain folly. My plan is to just go out easy for the first 50 miles. Go even easier for the next 25 miles. See what I have left for the last loop. Either I will continue to slow or something miraculous will happen and there will be something left in the tank to turn it up. My 50-mile split at Miwok was a little over 10 hours. Taking it easier than that for the first 50 miles of HH, I will likely be not too far north of 11 hours given the course similarity. Now, this still leaves 24 hours in the realm of possibility. However, I know that running at night and going longer than 62 miles are going to slow things down more than just a little bit. I expect to be well beyond that time given this is my first 100. My basic philosophy can be summed up as "allow for the possibility of a miracle, but don't plan on it." |
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Post by ultrajegi on Aug 8, 2007 19:37:19 GMT -5
Jon, My first D50 I did in 13:17 or something like that. Ironically Chuck Wilson predicted my Cascade Crest 100 finishing time pretty nicely at that time - it was 27 hours even. which was pretty much what he said. Now: * everything went GREAT for me in that race * CCC100 is probably slower than HH100, with more climbing, and more technical sections I would think: -> everything goes great, you do 25-26 (or even better you think "Beat's full of it" and do <24!) -> you get sick/mess up/light injury -> 29 -> you injure yourself badly -> 31 -> a mountain lion eats your foot, you you get bitten by 2 or more rattlesnakes or such: 31:59:59 the only way you'd drop if you were to injure your hip. THAT is really nasty! Btw, I highly appreciate the coaster. Nice! I know I set myself up for immense ridicule if I should drop - that'll push me way past what's reasonable! Because as opposed to Norbert, I'm totally susceptible to peer pressure. Oh, I'm hurting already.  Be prepared to see some very immature behaviour if I do indeed need to drop. Any of the following is possible: - monotonous mumbling, repeatedly uttering the words "aliens", "kennedy" and "conspiracy" - tears - pounding of fist on self (lightly, but well acted) - rolling on the floor, screaming "why?  ?" - claiming the run was "too easy" - claiming that Norbert, Steve and Jon tripped me and so on. Beat |
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Post by leinfellner on Aug 8, 2007 22:27:39 GMT -5
HAR HAR HAR!!! Awesome! I'm in a 3 hour meeting this afternoon and what happens meanwhile? First, the dedicated page, then the 31:59:59 coaster and now Beat is in the focus! Yippee! I will sleep in on Saturday, not even show up for the 50M!!! ;D
Actually, I just went to see if my batteries for the headlight are still OK - BUT JUST IN CASE SOMETHING MIRACOLOUS HAPPENS and I feel like NOT having a beer after 50M! I will have a drop bag at every aid station, have a soup every 10 miles, have rattle snake antivenom with me, have my foot glued back on at every aid station (because according to Beat it will fall off). Perhaps a 75 miler will do?
Let's wait and see!
Wait I have another excuse: The battery in my Garmin 201 only lasts like 14 hours or so. CAN'T DO IT! ;D
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Post by pctrailruns on Aug 9, 2007 10:10:15 GMT -5
No problem, Norbert. You can use our Garmin 201 for the second 14 hours. I'm sure you can run 100 miles in 28 hours. We'll make a coaster for you. Wendell |
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, the situation from Beat's perspective is that everyone could do a 100. Right now I'm in the position to safely say that with proper training and time dedication everybody could do a 50 miler. Three months ago I wasn't. Now, I feel a 100 is possible, but it is lays in the scary unknown and my preparation wasn't designed to complete a 100 this year. Like Steve said, as you go through your training and growing distances, you know what you are capable of. I believe that ultrarunners are among those people who know their body fairly well and know what they can expect by pushing it.
), but I've extrapoted a time around 24 hours. Does that seem reasonable?
Be prepared to see some very immature behaviour if I do indeed need to drop. Any of the following is possible:
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